Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby jdenormandie » Thu Oct 03, 2024 2:21 pm

Hi Ernie,

I am using Spelling mode with the Show Side First set to Alternate for foreign language flashcards.

The Answer Text under the Spelling settings is set to Side 2, which is the side for my target language (TL).

Unfortunately, when Side 2 is shown, the card is still in Spelling mode, meaning I am prompted to spell the English word. Is there a way to turn off the spelling mode when side 2 is shown first? I only need the Spelling mode when looking at the English word.

My ideal would be to have the deck set to Alternate sides, with spelling turning on and off depending on which side is shown:
Side 1 (English) -> Side 2 (TL) spelling on.
Side 2 (TL) -> Side 1 (English) spelling off

Thanks again for a great app.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby Ernie » Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:17 pm

Hi,

You can't use Alternate with spelling on and off.

In Deck Options, turn on Advanced Layout.
Tap "1->2" and turn on Spelling.
Tap "2->1" and make sure spelling is off

In Deck Options, tap along the right side to toggle the checkmark. Turn on "2->1".

So now it looks like you have double the amount of cards, as each card is shown both ways.
Card order of "Ordered" will show all direction 1, then all direction 2.
Perhaps setting to "Random" is good.

If this doesn't solve your problem, let me know.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby jdenormandie » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:37 pm

Hi Erine,

Thanks. This just goes to show the power of this app.

This does work, however it gives me the whole deck instead of only those that are due. I use a Combination Deck as a sort of master for all decks so any card that is due shows up in the master. With it set to "Random" instead of "Spaced Repetition" I get them all.

I switched the Card Order back to "Spaced Repetition" and surprisingly I got the option to study Due or New, and the New cards are all very old long-since memorized cards. It seems to be starting from the very first deck! So long as I just select "Due" everything works as desired.

Thanks again.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby Ernie » Wed Oct 09, 2024 6:58 pm

Here's what's going on with all the new cards:
Before you were just using a single set of statistics. A card starts off new then becomes "active" and "due" at certain times, and statistics (correct/wrong) are built up. You saw side 2 first sometimes, but as far as statistics and scheduliing goes, the app didn't keep track if a correct was when side 1 was shown first, or side 2.

Ideally, in my mind, you should have different statistics for each direction. You might know one directly well, but the other direction is troublesome, and having each be on a different schedule seems the best.

When you turned on advanced layout, it assigned side 2 -> side 1 a different set of statistics, which was blank, so every card became "new".

If you only filter on "due", you'll never see 2->1 I assume.

I would probably build up statistics on your 2->1 direction. Add a button to the bottom of the study screen to help: Global Options > Control > Study Buttons. Add "Postpone / Next Review".

In the study screen, when going through your new cards (if you choose to), tap this new icon. Make sure "Next Review" section is shown (which it will be for new cards). You can then tap an appropriate time to see the card again. If you know it well, tap say "1 year". If you realize you are not very strong with it, tap something appropriate. You should pretty quickly be able to built up appropriate intervals for all these card, which might be good long term.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:18 am

It does make sense to have statistics for both directions, and I agree one should study both ways (strengthening those neural connections). That's why I always had the "Show Side First" set to "Alternate". But that means half the time I was going 2 -> 1, so should statistics have been created for that direction?

The one issue I have with now building up stats for 2->1 is I want to focus on my spelling, which requires going 1->2.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby Ernie » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:42 pm

When you studied before, both 1->2 and 2->1 used the same statistics. As far as the app is concerned, it didn't matter which direction was shown. Each direction was "fighting" each other if different responses.

After turning on "Advanced Layout", you can disable 2->1 so you just get the spelling direction. That's how you can focus on that. If you want to take some time out to practice 2->1, you can enable that direction and then starting setting initial intervals (Next Review) for each card as appropriate (from 1 day to 1 year). Long term it will probably be good because you can then periodically get reinforcements. Setting interval high will mean you won't see for a while (probably good) but it will eventually get refreshed (probably good). Perhaps do say 10 cards per day of this direction, and it will naturally help spread out the next due dates.
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Re: Using Spelling and Show Side First: Alternate

Postby jdenormandie » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:49 am

Thanks! Makes sense.
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